Posted February 09, 2014

Oklahoma State guard Marcus Smart shoves fan in ugly incident at Texas Tech

Big 12, Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech

Marcus Smart wheeled and stood eye to eye with a Texas Tech fan late Saturday night. It was a kid yelling at an adult and a kid putting his hands on that adult, shoving him backward while consequently knocking a female fan off-balance.

It was a kid smothered by the pressure of a spiraling season, out of control and out of his senses.

There’s no excuse for it, no matter what idiocy may have filled his ears, and the Oklahoma State guard will be disciplined, while an ugly incident tracks him for the rest of his basketball life.

Whatever penance is paid in college and NBA arenas will make whatever the Big 12 does seem merciful. But right now Oklahoma State doesn’t seem capable of saving Marcus Smart from himself. So the best thing that can happen for both is the league suspending Smart for multiple games — start with two, but no one could argue if commissioner Bob Bowlsby doled out a harsher punishment.

This isn’t the first time this season that Smart hasn’t be able to control his emotions. Late last month Smart kicked a chair and then apologized via Twitter for losing his composure, promising it wouldn’t happen again. It happened again. Smart needed to be separated from a fan, and now he needs to be separated from the frustration of five losses in six games fused with his own boiled-over emotions. A Big 12 spokesman confirmed the league will review the incident “in accordance with the Big 12′s Sportsmanship Policy.”

Let’s parcel out the indignation appropriately here: Coach Travis Ford and Oklahoma State seemingly have no clue how to manage Smart and help him regulate his passion. He kicked that chair during a game against West Virginia on Jan. 25 after picking up a second first-half foul and he has been dogged as a flopper and a complainer. To say the Cowboys should have seen the shoving incident coming is ridiculous, of course. But it happened, which suggests a program incapable of getting through to its best player or unwilling to take a hard line. Even in a heated moment with no definitive information about what happened, someone on Oklahoma State’s bench needed to get Smart to the locker room with 6.2 seconds remaining in the game to prevent a bad situation from turning worse. Instead, Smart sat and stewed and yelled while Texas Tech fans stormed the court and everyone held their breath about what could come next. And for what purpose? Oklahoma State seems at the mercy of Marcus Smart, and that is a very bad way to be.

And then there is the man who Smart shoved, a fan named Jeff Orr who has even been promoted by Texas Tech. During the game, Orr screamed at a kid when the kid was literally down — Smart had fallen to the floor after committing a foul on a transition opportunity for the Red Raiders. If it comes out that Orr merely said something obnoxious in that moment, his fate should be the same as Smart’s: An extended break from the vicinity of any Texas Tech athletic event.

If it comes out that Orr dropped a slur — something ESPN’s Doug Gottlieb reported that Orr denied in a text exchange with a friend – then he needs to be informed he’s not welcome in the building for the rest of his years. A complete disassociation from Texas Tech athletics is the only recourse in those circumstances. As much as a suspension for Smart reestablishes what is and isn’t acceptable player behavior, some action from Texas Tech can set a bar for how fans must comport themselves, even if it’s a symbolic gesture at best.

There’s no excuse for Smart’s misstep. This wasn’t an overheated gym at an AAU tournament, this wasn’t the afternoon run on an asphalt court at the park. Athletes know they’re going to hear nasty stuff. Their charge is to walk away and quiet the noise with their performance on the court or on the field. The alternative? As Tulsa World columnist John Hoover noted, Smart arguably committed a crime Saturday under Texas law, an act that could be categorized as misdemeanor assault. That’s an extreme interpretation but also a worthy context: What Smart did is no alternative at all, no matter what some rube in the stands spewed his way.

Smart will pay for it soon, via Big 12 discipline, and he’ll pay for it later via hostile crowds with internet connections and long memories. He was a kid who lost himself again Saturday. He had to be separated from a fan, and now he has to be separated from the game, a brilliant but overheated player given time to breathe and time to consider how to find his way back to normal.

141 comments
LIBERTSINCURSION
LIBERTSINCURSION

What a lying scumbag. Making BS claims about a racial slur that never happened which you can see and hear on the tape that he said "you piece of crap"! But, because he's black and thinks he should never be held accountable for what he does. He just lies and uses his blackness as a politically incorrect force field which will absolve him of consequences. I'm sick to death with racist black people doing this kind of thing. And I'm even more sick of people pretending there's nothing wrong with it.

joey.lackman
joey.lackman

Personally, I think Smart isn't at fault here. I think it's embarrassing that an older man doesn't have respect for basketball players, dishing out racist slurs. The kid's not a professional, he's 19 years old playing college basketball. He shouldn't have to be bombarded with insults from someone who doesn't even know him personally. SMH to the old dude, he had it coming. Marcus Smart should be suspended for 2 games, and then the incident should be put behind us. 

Mr.Lewis
Mr.Lewis

No one wins in a situation like this. Jeff Orr should be downright ASHAMED for kicking Smart when he's already down. Oklahoma State had already lost the game when Marcus Smart decided to commit that hard foul. What Orr did was, instead of criticizing the play of the entire Oklahoma team, he launched a personal insult towards Smart. That's not the role of a fan. Especially when he feels it right to launch said insult towards a KID. And yes, Marcus Smart is very much still a KID. He may be big, strong and fast, but I'm not talking about stuff like that. What I'm saying is Smart has some mental maturing to do before he can even THINK about fulfilling his NBA aspirations. He isn't ready for the bright lights. He would be slaughtered by the media left and right. I really hope this kid can figure it all out soon because, no matter what anyone says, he has talent.

hooter
hooter

it seems some people need to learn good sportsmanship, freedom of speech does not mean freedom of stupidity by anybody i for one would like to hear from some lip readers who have watched the video of what mr. orr said and if it was racial he should be banned from all sporting events from kids sports to pro sports. even if it was'nt racial but something like i hope you broke your neck he should be banned we all know when the line is crossed into bad behavior and if we want the best behavior for our kids then we must show our best behavior and also if someone is not we must stop them. so if you are sitting next to someone who is crossing the line stand up to it    

B-f-G
B-f-G

Talk sports radio has blown up today with this topic.  Many folks are calling in angry with strong opinions.  One guy claimed white people everywhere would never understand and black people have a right to use force when they hear these words ... etc.  It's a voliatle topic for sure.

Orr admits to calling him a "piece of crap" and now it's reported that he said "get back" right before the shove. Orr has a history of bad behavior including flipping people off from his seat in the stands.  His antics are uncalled for and fans like him take the fun out of attending a live game.

MrArlington
MrArlington

Texas Tech released a statement saying they conducted a thorough investigation. Orr denied making a racial slur and Tech says the evidence backs up Orr's statement.

KevinMcCarney
KevinMcCarney

One thing that I have not seen, and that is what a poor job the Game Officials did during this incident. As Officials we are taught that on a hard foul you close down and prevent any extra activity like this, yet the video I saw showed all three Refs basically ignoring Smart falling into the crowd. One even had a semi grin on his face as he walked towards the end line, another no-no. The calling official never closes down at all, and you never see the third official. Poor effort. I am willing to bet there will be some e-mails going out to Big 12 Officials about this.

pizzmoe
pizzmoe

Smart should get a bigger suspension..for not smacking Orr in the face.  Why is OK for fans to yell anything they want at an athlete. Because they "paid" for the ticket?

floorme1955
floorme1955

3 game suspension-- thought it might be 5-- 3 seems appropriate I guess- and loud mouth has agreed to not attend any future games this year-- 

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hbs1
hbs1

I am not Black, nor am I some pied in the sky ultra liberal, but I object to all those people jumping on Smart. I've seen the pictures of what happened, and what I saw was some fat pig who was at least 45 years old taunting and challenging a 19 year old kid. Just because he bought a ticket, doesn't give him the right to use the "N" word and challenge a kid from a visiting team. Yeah, Smart should get some suspension. But that pig needs to have his ticket rights revoked. Quite frankly, all he got was a push and his ugly date/wife deserves to have her ticket rights revoked as well. I also hope that he gets his nose punched soon.

MrArlington
MrArlington

Newsflash: No matter what someone says to you you cannot assault them. 


It is truly mind blowing that some folks are sticking up for Smart because some fan yelled at him. Geez.

floorme1955
floorme1955

From ESPN:

After the game, Smart was "down and remorseful," the team official told ESPN, claiming that the sophomore guard "got caught up in the moment."- CAUGHT UP IN THE MOMENT?  I'd say- 


The Big 12 has set up a news conference for Sunday afternoon. Following that, Oklahoma State has scheduled a news conference for 6 p.m. ET at which Smart will speak.

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From Floorme- 

Hopefully Smart shows some glimmer of contrission- and backs away from his original accusation, which now seems to be nothing more than a lie, to cover for his attack on a blowhard fan- 


Man UP! Accept your role in this - and do not LIE about what the man said- The super fan is a super HOLE- we all get it- but wrongfully attaching that scarlett N letter on him would be sinful on your part.

floorme1955
floorme1955

There is only 1 thing worse than calling someone THAT WORD-- and that is LYING about someone CALLING you one-- 


After the RACE CARD seemed to be proven a LIE-- Then it became the fan said GO BACK to Africa-- 

Now that is even in Question----- 


In an area filled with reporters and other spectators are elbows to BUTTS- No one else HEARD a disparaging  word - No instant tweet, text or audio-- Just the word of a player that just lost the game for his team by making a HARD FOUL that just about clinched their loss-  So why not get up all hard- Attack the blow hard and yell RACE CARD~


Was this fan a boisterious megaphone of unhappy words- probably- 

Was this fan a real A*hole- almost assuredly-

Was this fan grinding on Marcus Smart's last nerve- Seemingly-

Did this FAN do what he wanted to and got Smart out of his game-- A B S O L U T E L Y !


Sorry OSU fans- this guy should be done for the season- or it's open season on ALL FANS- even the good ones that pay the tuition for guys like Marcus

friendly--neighborhood--scrawler
friendly--neighborhood--scrawler

like the Martin, Incognito girl spat i quickly jumped to the conclusion that Martin was in the wrong and i will do the same with this....  i believe the fan did say the N-word.  
  
Jeff Orr admitted "i kind let my mouth say something i shouldn't have. i feel bad" if it was not the N-word i am sure he would have quickly corrected it........ but his silence speaks volumes. he knows if he admitted to the N-word... the university would have to ban him... booster / super fan support or not...  
I love when  people chime saying... well Marcus should have calmly walked over to the refs and said this or that... lol Marcus is a second class citizen, his color will always be a factor in America.... believe it or not.. thats not how it works... Until Marcus gets money / fame... then and only then will his status change , he will remain a target on FIRST glance until he is identified as "a person of privilege." 
  
And for those that say "they" say it to each another... save it for your group of racist friends.... 

go on YouTube click on any video of black people positive or negative and read the comments... you can pretty much tell when the N-word is being used as a source of negativity...
I notice the woman with Jeff Orr was not shocked until Marcus put his hands on Jeff Orr....lol birds of a feather... so anything she has to say is not relevant

NathanCalfey
NathanCalfey

Brian Hamilton dissembled that Marcus Smart is "a kid". He will be 20 years old in three weeks.  His age if irrelevant.  Andrew Carter, @Andrew__Carter, reported " Smart was on the ground and popped up. If he heard something, you'd expect a reporter would too...aren't you a little shocked not a single journalist under the basket overheard part of the incident and tweeted it out? I am".  Marcus Smart pathetically claimed that he was victim of racist slur when he discerned that he will be belatedly punished for perpetual misconduct.  Yet, no reporters or spectators affirmed his tale of racism.

floorme1955
floorme1955

Here is a post I just read--  You know how the media is gunna play it. Angry black man attacks innocent white guy. Smart is a thug blah blah.


Now- I don't know what Newspaper he reads, or TV stations he watches- but since they all seem to be dripping with liberal/ progressives overtaken by WHITE GUILT- The thought that the media will simply attack the black athlete is just silly- 


Personally I'm tired of folks like this guy- playing both the Race card and the WOO IS ME card- That ship sailed a while ago- 

YES- racism does exist, BUT that door swings bothways - I hope by now most of us are and can be fair- 


 So to the afore mentioned post-  here are the facts as I see them


1) Smart was Angry

2) Smart is a BLACK MAN

3) He acted like a THUG- ( look it up- it's okay-- BTW Justin Bieber was recently described as a THUG)

4) The fan is White

5) He is Obnoxious

6) He was Annoyingly loud

7) He got under Smarts Skin

8) He was hit- pushed and or assaulted - depending on your jurisdiction 

9) He said something and directed it to Smart

10) Smart should be suspended for the rest of the season- 

OwenCaterwall3
OwenCaterwall3

No excuses for Marcus Smart, but fan behavior is out of control. I can no longer tolerate Mite hockey due to parental behavior. Little Leagues have had to ban parents from games. Going to a major league baseball game invites assault if you're wearing the wrong hat.

Mr. Orr is a fan. That's it. Not a player, not a coach, not a parent. But I'd wager he worships the ground upon which Bobby Knight trod, because his behavior is pretty similar. Just without the personal involvement.

Just as we shouldn't know who the refs are, why in god's name should we know a fan by name? 

MichaelS
MichaelS

ZERO accountability for the fan (a middle aged ADULT) who instigated it???

Buying a game ticket isn't an immunity ticket to say whatever you want to a player without accountability.  It's time for arenas & stadiums to implement conduct rules - break 'em and suffer the consequences.  Jerk fans ruin the experience for everyone around them too.  Out of control fans are a problem from little league to the pros.

Smart was wrong to shove him - not criminal - reasonable it shouldn't cost him the year or his eligibility.

ToddBennett
ToddBennett

@Mr.Lewis  No he really does not.  He would be among the worst guards in the NBA right now, and probably a Dleaguer.

MrArlington
MrArlington

@hooter According to an official statement, Jeff Orr called Marcus Smart "a piece of crap" but did not a use a racial slur.

floorme1955
floorme1955

@RegisReynolds  

there is no other side- Both were wrong and both have been dealt a punishment-- If that isn't good for you, then pedal your GUILT elsewhere-- Smart doesn't get a free swing or power rush at spectators- anymore than that A-HOLE orr- does in his verbal antics-


I read your posted click site- there will always be 2 sides to any story-- but propaganda is simply that- BOTH of these guys are JERKS and that includes Marcus Smart- you may excuse his behavior- but that may be the problem here- Everyone has in his life and THIS is the result-



floorme1955
floorme1955

@hbs1  again no proff of the N word was ever used-- even if it was- according to Texas law - Smart assaulted Orr-- 

I have been clear---  I see ORR as an UBER HOLE~~ But players can not attack spectators- Believe it or not- It's easier than you think to quiet or remove an obnoxious fan-- 


A player plays through the razing-- and tunes out the insults- 

hbs1
hbs1

@MrArlington That moron didn't just yell at him. He put his chest out and challenged Smart. The fat moron is middle aged and he picked on a 19 year old kid. 


friendly--neighborhood--scrawler
friendly--neighborhood--scrawler

@MrArlington

Are you forgetting its wasnt that long ago...blacks were lynched for speakinjg to white women.. so a push is nothing....

he just pushed him.. righfully so, Orr would NOT have said that on the streets...

crashtx1
crashtx1

@floorme1955  You sound like the same kind of fat, stupid fan as Orr. Someone who would wet themselves if they actually had to face an athlete without two women protecting him. Men who don't need a cup. Give Smart his couple of games and give Orr his new seat outside the arena. 

floorme1955
floorme1955

@friendly--neighborhood--scrawler  Well, I hope you feel better about excusing an assault on spectators-  Without a shred of evidence- NO Audio proof- No bystanders 2nd party collaboration- Whitey said it-- 

With a black coach Tubby Smith- 

70%  Black Players- and a 

Super Fan that travels to away games

He said it-- because-- no proff  you just believe it because --- ? ? ? you can tell it was used

WELL KRESKAN- let us all know the next powerball numbers while you're at it-- 


As far as Smart being a 2nd class citizen- save that for your woo is me lecture-- no one believes that K R A P but victims that want their children to be victims-- 

NathanCalfey
NathanCalfey

@MichaelS  Athletes have been heckled quadrillions of times.  Contemplate what America would repugnantly become if maniacs were permitted to accost persons who offended them.

MrArlington
MrArlington

@MichaelS It is criminal. Smart assaulted a fan. This isn't debatable. Whether the shove resulted in bodily injury is irrelevant.

RegisReynolds
RegisReynolds

@floorme1955 @RegisReynolds   I didn't know I was dealing with a psychologist.  You argue that Smart, who I carry no water for, should just swallow his pride and take it.  The people who are wrong are the NCAA and the Texas Tech officials who let this Neanderthal go apparently for years.  No player should have to put up with this crap.  I suppose who could have hired somebody to find out who Orr was and then hired a lawyer and taken on Orr, Texas Tech, and the NCAA.  But in the heat of the moment, he never thought of that.  Shame on him.

pizzmoe
pizzmoe

I live in a world where an adult attending a sporting event shouldn't yell racial epithets at a player.

pizzmoe
pizzmoe

He's a sad, pathetic jerk who resents the fact that he can't play.m

floorme1955
floorme1955

@crashtx1 @floorme1955  -- Lets see if Smart actually tells the truth at 6 tonight-- then what will you excuse makers do? 


BTW- wore a cup played many a game- never assaulted a spectator-- 

crashtx1
crashtx1

@Funny-One @floorme1955  Too bad there is not a "dislike" or "vote off the blog" button for "@floorme1955". Not sure I've seen someone so upset over something he wasn't involved in.

MichaelS
MichaelS

MrArlington 

if that's all you're focused on, you're missing a much bigger picture


a game ticket isn't an immunity pass to say anything without consequence


The fact that arenas & stadiums have allowed conduct, unacceptable outside the venue, is the real issue.  If they don't change that, it's going to get much worse than a shove.


Put yourself in the shoes of college athlete's father, and watch someone personally and vulgarly attack your kid.  (this man has a history of doing exactly that)  100% blame on the student & NOTHING for the fan???

It's a big problem from little league all the way up.

floorme1955
floorme1955

@crashtx1 @floorme1955  

READ my posts- I have never defended Orr-- which is more than I can say about some here as it pertains to Marcus Smart- 

Nice leap from 1 subject to WIFE BEATER-- whatever that means-- I guess that was your poor attempt to assault either Orr's or my character-- NOW we understand why you support Smart-  

you lead a very sad life-- we understand

crashtx1
crashtx1

@floorme1955 @crashtx1  Like I said, you need a life, but then someone who defends people like Orr, cowards who think they won't be held accountable, the same kind of people who beat their wives, pretty sad. But, hey, as long as you get a chuckle.

floorme1955
floorme1955

@crashtx1 @floorme1955  Thanks for your concern-- I have a free afternoon- love provoking people- and chiuckle at their replies-- like yours

crashtx1
crashtx1

@floorme1955 @crashtx1 Wow, just reading through the comments, are you trying to set a record? lol, go get a life. If you want to defend someone you might pick someone besides a loud mouth hiding behind two women.

floorme1955
floorme1955

@crashtx1 @MrArlington @MichaelS   well lets see-- Simple assault in Texas consists of:

  • intentionally or knowingly causing physical contact with another that the offender knows or reasonably should know the victim will find provocative or offensive. (Tex. Penal Code Ann. §22.01.)         

Assault by provocative or offensive contact refers to an act that does not cause physical injury or pain but is upsetting or causes the victim to feel violated. This type of assault can include poking someone in the chest during an argument - So lets call it assault! 


Penalties for Simple Assault in Texas

A person convicted of a misdemeanor in Texas faces the following possible penalties:

  • Class A misdemeanor – up to one year in jail or a fine up to $4000, or both
  • Class B misdemeanor – up to 180 days in jail or a fine up to $2000, or both, and
  • Class C misdemeanor – a fine up to $500.

hbs1
hbs1

@floorme1955 @MichaelSI saw a push, not really an assault. It was in response to a verbal assault and challenge. Punish Smart? Yeah, but get rid of that ...hole spectator and let the so-called "fans" know that they haven't bought a ticket enabling them to defame and hurl insults.

floorme1955
floorme1955

@MichaelS  your right a ticket is NOT an immunity to say anything without consequence- HOWEVER - our law system does protect citizens from assault - especially from the players you pay to see-- This is the NCAA not WWE or the WWF-- 

If Smart is given a tap on the hands ie: 2 games-- well then Fans and spectators can and will become targets for kids more concerned about STREET CRED than Victories--